What the gentleman could have added to his argument and for the azzhats who keep bringing up isolated incidents like Sandy Hook – he should have said:
Piers, while Sandy Hook was a tragic event, it is over.
The fatality numbers are fixed. Done. My point is women are dying every day from rape attempts, home invasions, car jackings, muggings…. Unfortunately, the stats I’m giving are not fixed – people, women, daughters, mothers, wives – are dying every DAY when a gun could have saved their lives.
More importantly a Clinton era survey by 2 anti-gun professors, ADMITS guns are used 1.5 million times a year – quote:
“Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample),
representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.”
DGU = defensive gun use.
NOTE: I’ve read the report. It goes on to “conclude: the respondents/results were full of “false positives” (also note they don’t give credit for having 2 or more DGU in one year – 2 or more equals one as factored/adjusted below).
They want to insist instead of 1 in 100 incidents – the correct results are ADJ DOWN to 1 in 1800 (18X LESS) – whaddever
if one were to concede their “new math” dumbed down results (and I’m not conceding but I damn sure will do the math and make an observation);
1 in 1800 still equals 177,700 times a year a gun is used in defense, to thwart a crime, a rape, a child kidnapping, a home invasion….
1 8 0, 0 0 0 times a year a gun is used to PREVENT A VIOLENT CRIME – a very conservative estimate !!
Sandy Hook, Columbine Workers Youth League Norway – all tragic but FIXED events. Yes, some nut will get a gun and go on to shoot several, even many people. But let’s not let the few, outweigh the MANY, at a minimum – TENS OF THOUSANDS who are SAVED EVERY YEAR because they HAD A GUN.
Throwing out the baby with the bath water?
– btw, Norway has very strict gun laws – a quote (re: ownership requirements): “Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defense, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.”
Let’s not forget History – or we’re doomed to repeat;
Remember when DC was named “the murder capital of the world: – when? During a period (1976 until SCOTUS ruling) of strict gun laws. When the gun ban was overturned, what happened to violent crime rates??
A: dropped over 40% – not a typo, dropped 40%+
excerpt “Since the gun ban was struck down, murders in the District have steadily gone down, from 186 in 2008 to 88 in 2012″
As I verified my position – I found, I must stand corrected; down 52%.
Yeah, somebody needs to tell piers the how illogical … ….. ya know, would it matter how many facts he hears?
I’ve found facts don’t seem to matter to liberals – they just change the subject, revive another tragic event and assert it’s PROOF of their position, sitting high upon their throne of superiority – as Pier did when asked if the lady who used her gun in self defense – where she Pier’s wife, would he want her to have a gun for self protection?? (we know the answer – he simply can’t articulate the answer and concede his position).
PIERS, no answer, changed the subject to Sandy Hook.
Final observation for Mr. Piers – what has happened in England since guns were effectively banned? THIS IS IMPORTANT (video) http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/01/12/fact-checking-ben-swann-is-the-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/
Note: The UK has the 2nd highest violent crime rate in the EU! 5th in robbery. 4th in burglary. And the EU named Britain the MOST VIOLENT COUNTRY IN THE EU!!
Again – Britain has STRICT gun ban. Gun crimes still happen – albeit at a much lessor rate than USA – I concede that fact. Now, compare VIOLENT CRIMES, robberies, assaults, burglaries… Britain exceeds the USA.
Obvious question; what would happen to the violent crime rate in the USA if guns were banned?? Seriously – think about it folks. This is not a complex puzzle with a trick answer.
Gun bans are causal. Gun ban = violent crime. This is a logical – no, it is an indisputable conclusion. There is a direct relationship; gun bans are causal and proportionate to higher rates of violent crimes.
So what is your preference? Because I have to ask: Is being a victim somehow morally superior to defending yourself? I guess for some liberals it may come down to their being the person in the attic – with their children – while some nut is trying to break down the door – and only having the police dispatcher on the other end of the phone – to “save” them.
Yes, think about it being your wife, your children – or you. Not trying to be overly dramatic – but I do suffer from reality. This is not the first home invasion.
Or the last.